Wednesday, December 23, 2009

BREAK OUT or BREAK DOWN ?

Chart from COLUMBIA

One would suppose that a juncture like this we could put money on both sides.
Thus one side will certainly wipe out the other,
but it would still be a profitable trade, unless we get more stalemate through January


CBOE PC ratio
Monday = .67
Tuesday = .60

bearish, but the other pc ratios are mixed

more later
Jay

59 comments:

  1. Anonymous9:35 AM

    I'm short!!!!!!!!!!!!


    ptg

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  2. Anonymous9:43 AM

    faz is looking real good here, financials are super weak

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  3. Anonymous10:05 AM

    little sheeple getting scared to sell.

    hahahaha

    x

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  4. just a gap fill now we rocket back up until this afternoon thens the time to go short

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  5. range should be 1110 to 1120 on es we'll see if they think they gathered enough shorts for a squeeze or if they think they have to take it down to 1110 to get em I'm figuring 1120 by 2pm which I want to short

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  6. 21 hour cycle low is in the making here.


    y

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  7. Jay whats the index showing on the highs and lows for the day....I'm guessing high will be near close

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  8. here is the Helge charts Jay references some he shows the drop early in the trading day and shows a top at end of day with a downturn into the 30th
    http://www.cyclelt.com/INT.htm

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  9. Anonymous11:43 AM

    Low 13:28

    High 14:49, Low cross 4 minutes later. (Merging cycles)

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  10. The 21 hour cycle is NOT complete
    at 258 bars UNTIL DEC 24th at 1pm

    Mkt closes at 1pm

    at the same time we have a
    SUN 0 Pluto --offering--
    Challenges
    poor moods
    Money issues surface
    Pitfalls, short tempers & agitation
    Sounds like a real chitty day to me.

    Today so far 156bars hit at 10:30
    11am hourly turns up

    next bar cycles
    180 @ noon
    204b@ 2pm
    228b@ 4pm,OR open tomrrow

    NOT ALL bar cycles make severe pivot lows,
    SOME are muted and some non events
    BUT if one is missed, then next one usually picks up the slack

    Propens index does indicate a low at close today, but tomrrow so far shows it as an UP DAY till at least mid day.
    BUT
    that goes against some of my other data, so we will see which one wins out.
    ---------------------------
    Power index & Astro indicate lower.
    propens indicates higher
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    Jay

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  11. Anonymous12:05 PM

    Long fas!!! market looks too strong...santa rally is here

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  12. indigo12:29 PM

    McHugh noted a small change in the McClellan oscillator from yesterday's session, which means that a big move is coming soon, direction unknown. He suggested that a decisive move above 1120 would be bullish, but stalling at that level isn't (which is where we are now). He's leaning to a 100 point selloff in the Dow soon I think. Indices look like they are in a topping formation to me: negative divergences showing up on RSI, deceleration in wave structure. Looks bearish to me!

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  13. This is unplayable chit .. keeping my gains for the year and going home a happy camper having taken some money out of the Goldman TICK machine.

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  14. Coy looks like your 1:38 low wave is arriving lets hope the high wave at
    14:49 behaves

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  15. Anonymous1:06 PM

    Simples says keep it simple.

    What do we have ?
    A Bull Flag.
    Pole low 1030
    Pole High 1120 = 90pts.

    Breakout above 1120 means target of 1210 (1120 + 90).
    Probably january.

    Simples

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  16. Anonymous1:17 PM

    simples

    have you ever been wrong?

    sally

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  17. Anonymous1:18 PM

    rrman

    i don't see a low

    Sally

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  18. Anonymous1:29 PM

    Sally -

    Yes , I have been wrong before.
    I married a dog.

    Simples

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  19. Sally was that lil dip around 1pm wasnt a daily low just a low that Coy had on his indicator

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  20. GS and Fdx arent participating in this lil rally looks like we peak this afternoon and I will go short

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  21. Anonymous1:38 PM

    rrman, simples

    oh ok thanks.

    sally

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  22. Anonymous1:38 PM

    Inversion today. I hate it when that happens.

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  23. what do you mean Coy?

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  24. Jay if we hit 1120 on es you going more in on shorts with me?

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  25. EW count shows a beautiful 5 wave impulsive move down from this morning's highs (A wave), followed by a corrective zig zag B wave up. An impulsive C wave down would be the next logical step - maybe tomorrow.

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  26. Anonymous2:01 PM

    rrman,

    We can call the 13:28 wrong.

    We're probably advancing to the 14:49 high.

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  27. Cherl thats what Helge shows down in AH gap down at open down to say midday then rally tommorrow into the close and more up ah but then down around europe open
    http://www.cyclelt.com/INT.htm

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  28. Anonymous2:18 PM

    I'm getting hints that the short day tomorrow could be a triple digit up day, making all trading days of the week, up.

    You can't beat Government Sachs and the PPT machine "doing God's work".

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  29. Thanks for the link to Helge's charts rrman! I've been trying to decipher them. I notice he has 22 Dec as a trigger cycle date, which I did also note as significant earlier because a lot of cycles squared on that date. But I'm wondering whether he means that a reversal happens AFTER that date or on that date?? He says that "trigger cycles normally cause reversals or accelerations." Any thoughts?

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  30. Could be an acceleration of the rally, if Coy is right!

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  31. If you look at the top chart the daily he shows today as the turn date down

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  32. True. Chart 6 is interesting too. I notice that on the 2nd panel where there was some kind of inversion (16 and 23rd Nov during a down cycle, both of which were actually strong up days), SPX was actually 2 days away from a sharp selloff. We're now in another down cycle, with 14 and 21/12 given as the dates. Since 14/12 was also 2 days away from a selloff, perhaps today is also the last up day before a selloff on Thursday.

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  33. well eur/jpy is still rallying so looks like they may push it up in the next hour or so 1108 is the highest i see it getting with the time but who knows

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  34. GS and FDX and FAS still not doing much this is es pump maybe the top for a few days

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  35. ok closed longs and went short 1116.25 15" chart down we're done today

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  36. Anonymous3:52 PM

    gap UP !

    tim

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  37. Anonymous4:09 PM

    JAY

    Are we there yet?

    Are you short now or do we gap-up tomorrow morning and rally into the close?

    mark

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  38. Helge was right on with today he says gap down then rally to close tommorrow maybe a dip right before close

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  39. Anonymous5:22 PM

    Nice close for the bulls and light volume half day tomorrow. Looks like we float higher again tomorrow imo


    x

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  40. gotta love how they are running the stops in the futes since the close now at 1117 before they take it down into the morning....

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  41. Anonymous11:44 PM

    1135 here we come. A new rally has just begun.

    sam

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  42. Anonymous2:19 AM

    Look at the following chart and you'll see where we're heading. Multi week rally probably just started. We may not go down til mid January or later.

    http://chart.ly/a3yckv

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  43. Anonymous4:53 AM

    Only Scrooge would short the Santa Clause rally on Thursday!!!

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  44. Anonymous6:58 AM

    rrman and other bears are getting pistol whipped by golmansucks again.

    ptg

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  45. Anonymous7:05 AM

    My 3 SPX scenarios


    http://www.traders-talk.com/mb2/index.php?s=1e81950939c309d220028078a2a9f96e&showtopic=114473


    nicolasillo

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  46. Anonymous7:39 AM

    christmas is a roman catholic pagan evil holiday.

    It is a tradition of greedy men.

    One day christmas will be abolished as a holiday and so will it's authors.

    Ian

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  47. wow 1119 is the best they could do with no volume and now thats coming down on the day before Christmas....
    oh my

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  48. Anonymous8:16 AM

    rrman

    no way you're taking a profit today. You should be Long and Strong not short.

    You're going to get squeeeeezed today and I'm going to take your money. How do you like them apples.

    phil

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  49. well Phil we'll see i'm short from 1116 and very comfortable with it in fact i will short more after the open if we don't drop below 1116

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  50. Anonymous8:19 AM

    rrman

    first of all, I don't like you.

    second of all, Vo;ume don't mean anything. Benny and Goldy are going to step in and buy up the market at 9:45.

    you better cover now.

    phil

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  51. LOL Phil sorry you don't like me not sure why but I was long yesterday on the futures and now i'm short doesnt matter to me not married to either side but this will not be a up day....

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  52. Anonymous8:35 AM

    oh yeah! We'll see who's right. You think you're god's gift to traders. Well I think you're full of it. I'm going to squeeze you and wipe that smug grin off your face.
    It's christmas time and the last shopping day. Obama wants everyone to be happy today.
    So don't be a rascist pig and buy long!

    Look futures are going up now.

    phil

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  53. LOL Merry Christmas Phil

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  54. Anonymous8:45 AM

    JAY!

    Tell rrman we're going up today.

    phil

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  55. Anonymous8:52 AM

    I would reccommend all shorts close positions as we head up to 1300 in March.

    The last thing you want is to be caught in a massive squeezey.

    Once 1121 goes , 1220 is next.
    Bull Flag breakout. ya.

    Simples

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  56. Simple,

    Question for you. Remember in 2008, S&P in January never made to the 2007 high. Thinking that way I have a feeling that 1100 and under, this is the last time we see for 2010. Rally to 1300, then slowly to 1200 at year end.

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  57. Anonymous1:12 PM

    Merry Christmas to you Jay, and to all your followers.

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