Astrology for NON believers

You dont have to BELIEVE in astrology to understand it -- OR DO YOU ?????

I once showed the effects of astro to a young man who worked for me in the 80's
He TOLD ME this -- I SEE IT, BUT I DONT BELIEVE IT
SO, it held NO reality for him, and I guess there are MANY others out there just like him
I brot this up for a reason - COMPARING last Jan 2008 to Jan 2009 coming up

Jan 2008
As was written in Dell Mag in Aug 2007 for publication in Dec 2007
Full Moon of Jan 22 -Mars & Hades OPPOSE Venus & Pluto - This is a HARSH & Angry planetary picture
And we ALL know what happened on Jan 22/23

But what about the FIRST 8days?
THE YEAR gets off to a ROUGH start
Jan 2 -Mars 180 pluto
Jan 6th - venus 90 Saturn
Jan 8 - merc 45 uranus
Jan 12- Venus 90 Uranus
Jan 13- Sun 135 Saturn
jan16 -Sun 135 Mars
Jan 19 -Venus 180 mars
Jan 22 -full moon
Jan 23 - Venus 0 Pluto
and the heathen kept a comin till Nov 21
THOSE WERE ALL HARD ASPECTS

NOW whats DIFFERENT
Jan 1 & 2nd has some insecurity
BUT Tensions EASE into the 4th - Venus 60 vesta & Pluto
8th -PLUTO & Vesta ARE TRINE this year = 120 degrees - EXACT OPPOSITE of last year

Jan 10 to 17 = Merc retro = has some problems, but NOTHING anywhere near last year

Jan 17 to 26th = JUPITER floats its BALLOON
Jan 26 to Feb 2- WATCH OUT FOR CHANGE

OK, I hope you get the picture--
Jan 2009 IS NOT a repeat of 2008

NOW, remember my outlook for 2009
Potential to gain 5000 DOW points by Dec 2009/Jan 2010
remember Oct 1998 to Jan 14th 2000 --- NDX DOUBLED

Jan 2009
Jan 2nd off till about 1;30
High on Jan 7th

Downtrend 7th to 14th/15th

Uptrend from 16th to 30th

Severe sell off from FEb 2 to feb 9th, Full moon -
HARD aspects leading to 9th, 10th

more later
Jay

Bar cycles

AMAZING what Stan Harley discovered

When the bar cycle makes an important low at 204bars, then the cycle extends from 258 to 329
Simply because 204 + 126 = 329/330 , if you wish, same thing tho

Now WHY is this important today ??
I will tell you

Today's LOD at 1:30 was at 204 bars plus 108 gets us to 4pm Tuesday
Now, your right, thats NOT 329, but totals 312, which on occasion truncates

Even so, it ALSO ends the day at 60 bars IF you close out the 259 bar cycle at 11:30am

SO, either way, it points to a SOLID LOW at the close and offers a strong BUY

Heres MORE
JAYWIZ index = 1.65 a BIG BUY indication wiping out the .10 from friday
SPDR ratio = 3.33 wow BUY BUY BUY
BUT not so fast
the shorter term OEX ratio = .49 and is a SELL

Pressure index for tomrrow drops again after the open from 3020 to 3011
Granted , thats NOT a huge drop. but from the 27th at 3036 to 3011, it shows weakness thru tomrrow

We have a 9:40 high
11;30 low
noon high
1;30 low
3pm high
4 pm low

more later
Jay

Lets get back to Biz

Its hard to say if both the 29& 30 will be lower, but it is looking that way

52 hour low @ 12:15
78.6%/13 day @ 11:55
Jaywiz index = .10 ~~~ very bearish short term
VHF @ 5, a little weak so far
Power index @ 325 declining to 300
Pressure today 3036 to 3022 showing a declining
~~~~tomorrow 3030 to 3017 ~~ ditto
activity under 1 and flat line - very weak
flux @ 1015 Weak

Until the above changes we have the potential for 2 sell off today and tomrrow
NOT severe, The ATMOSPHERE for big declines is not present

Dow should hold 8300 as a minimum

more later
Jay

PC ratios = sell

Jaywiz index @ .10
first time in many weeks such a low #
PC ratios also very bearish

Monday might start with a POP up, but It looks like the day will end lower

Cluster of cycles as reported earlier converge on Monday & Tuesday

More later
Jay

keep on trucking

CNBC reports sentiment on bonds is 80% Bullish
what does that Tell you?
thats right, get out of bonds and into stock ~~~~

Today had a 10:30 high which is an hourly time opint
next hourly was 11:58 and the mkt turned lower at noon

120 bars right now as I write @ 1pm, and the dow is hanging barely positive

Next hourly @ 2:07 should find the mkt higher

Low @ 150 bars at 3;30

Next hourly high at 9:53 to 10 am on Monday

Monday's outlook indicates a lower day and potential lower open on Tuesday

31st has potential to be a strong rally

Feb 10/11 has the potential to be sharpy lower

BUT -Anyone looking for a retest of nov 21 had better learn to re evalute their thinking

Most later
Jay

dont get hung up

remember I wrote NOT TO GET TOO Negative after Dec 1st

And I should have followed my own advice

the SAME thing goes for January 2009

Ive also stated there should be a HIGH on Jan 30, followed by a sharp retreat Feb thru the 10th

Dec 30 has a number of fibo cycle convergences
21-34-54-110-144 tr days

7000 dow points lost @ fibo levels

21% = 1470 pts = dow @ 8945 & weve already been there
23.6% = 1650 = dow @ 9200

a break out above 9200 could run to the next level
38% = 2675 = dow @ 10,225

50%= 3500 = dow @ 10,500
And so forth, but you get the idea

theoretically
78.6% = 5500 pts = dow @ 12,500
That could take us to Nov or Dec 2009

More later

Jay

minor 4th wave

Shankar, I think you hit it right on The first 10 days of Feb- I'll explain

There were 48 tr days from July 15 low to spt 22 where it turned down

using 48 trade days from Nov 20 take us to YES, your right Jan 30, right after the Jan 26 LUNAR eclipse

FEb 4th has Saturn 180 Uranus, the same aspect the hit on Feb 27th 2007, the first warning dow off 417
And the SOLAR eclipse on Feb 9, and more hard aspects on the 10th/11th =Friday

Thats future stuff; lets come back to present

Dec 16th is only 17 trade days from Nov 21, but did gain 1500 points off the lows 7475 to 8975
Now they can drop 500 easy which they almost did already but 50% = 750 pts = 8225
& 62% = 930 pts =8045
just speculating ?????? yesterdays close at 8605

today has 90 bars @ 11
Hourly at 12;49= could be the high of the day
126 b @ 2pm and 150 at close which could actually effect the open on Monday with a sharp sell off

Natural energy indicated a low on the 18th, rebound on the 19th and sell off on 22nd
EXPECT 23/24th rebound to be strong = XMAS RALLY

Next 8 day high and turn are Dec30/31
Expecting Jan 2 & 5th to sell off

More later
Jay

Change of Venue

NO Crash in site

Unlike some others with whom I converse, I do not see a crash coming

It appears that Nov 21 was the LOW of Minor wave 3

Minor wave 4 can now take its sweet time and complete NEXT DEC 2009

Not to say there wont be serious setbacks in between - of course there will be

without going into detail, heres my outlook for the balance of December

TODAY - a mid day low today hit at 12:30 right on 30 bars
60 bars hits at 3pm next at the same time as an hourly cycle
If a high, the day should end lower

FRIDAY Dec 19th
has a fibo 38% /13 day cycle at 12;15 and any rally in the AM should set back, but the day should end higher

The RALLY is under and has been influenced by a SUN 0 Pluto which occurs on Monday at 5am

Monday is interesting since it is the day after the conjunction it also is
144 tr days from 5/29high
And
233 tr days from Jan 22-
Also is 1/2 or 50% of the 13 day cycle at 4pm
or it could spill over to the open on the 23rd fro about 10 minutes at the most
Its also 228 bars right at the same time

On Dec 23rd there is the 55% /13 day cycle at 1:08pm
which should hold them back till after that point, but the day should end
substantially higher as well as the 24th which is a half day closing at 1pm.

the next important cycle high is Dec 30/31st
The year should open with a smack down on the 2nd and jan 5th low @ 3;30pm

My best bet for a trade is shorting the close Friday
Yes, I know - go into the wkend flat- but some times you have to break the rule
Monday opens at 150 bars, and we have seen this effect b4.

More later
Jay

completed wave

minor wave 4 looks like a completion of a,b,c,d, and e on the 16th

today marks and 8day high, and if they get below 900 today--, it will collapse
its now 3;35 as i write this
but tomorrow marks an 8 day TURN, and it looks like it will wait unless the last 15 minutes today

Tomorrow starts minor wave 5 & it should be dramatic
7475 low to 8975 high =1500 pts
use your fibo math to get to lower levels
38% = 570 pts = dow @ 8355
and so forth

Some are saying spx 600 by Feb 4th,
which is a very heavy astro date equal to Feb 27th, 2007
when the dow fell 417 pts that day - that was the wake up call
and the Armstrong biz turn date

Friday has a 38.2% /13 day cycle at 12:15
Monday has a 50% /13 day cycle at 4pm
OR open on 23rd
23rd is 34 tr days from Nov 4th
and should offer a change in trend

Jay

Dec 22 is 233 FIBO tr days from jan 22nd
I guess Ms market likes 22nd dates
from there
I can see a strong rebound into Dec 31st

Ive mentioned this many times
numerology # 5 = CHANGE

charts

5th wave dead ahead

Jay

repeat De 1st?

Ive been expecting such a day, and since NO one NOW expects any downside activity the rest of this year ::
I think you get my drift.



Benner is looking as some others for an Inaugeration crash - IM HERE TO TELL YOU that WILL NOT HAPPEN
In fact after Jan 5th the mkt is poised UP thru mid Feb to start- Im sure Ive written that b4

A 300 tr day culmination of the correction is about to occur this week
taek your pick from Oct 9 to 12, 2007
Monday = 299 Oct 9th
Fri = 299 Oct 12 & 300 Oct 11

I THINK I expect Monday to duplicate Dec 1st or better

IF so, then EXPECT Tuesday to rebound into part of the 17th where it should TURN lower into Friday at 12:25

That should be the final LOY, and maybe lower than NOV 21st, maybe not, but it should be close

Jay

MORE for Dec 12

today has 204 bars at OPEN
thus the THRUST LOWER

Hourly at 10:51 could pull them back up a bit
next hourly is at 3;10 pm, and if making a
rebound high at that point will send the close lower,

BUT ASTRO has command of this wkend
and Monday with HEAVY HANDED SQUARES
the Senate and UAW does not operate in a vacuum
PEOPLE are held hostage to the astro SQUARES
now a $50B ponzi scheme in the options market-WOW

258 b low@ 1pm
Merc 0 pluto at 1;41 pm

Sun 90 Saturn tonight = NO let up today
DELAYS & DEMANDS

MONDAY
Hourly at 12:58 pm
1pm = 329 bars, a low
COULD BE THE LOD
4 day low at 2pm
BUT we have a low tide at 4:36pm
PLUS  Mars 90 Saturn @ 5pm = not let up

TUESDAY
hourly at 10:47 AM
&
14.6% of 13 day segment @ 11;21

thats pretty close to a match as either
one can shrink or stretch a bit

SO, Im now thinking the LOD and LOY on
Tuesday at or about 11am

its 300 tr days since Oct 10th, or 299
from oct 11- take your pick
I like the 299 count as its divisible by 13 = 23
As you know I have been counting 13 day segments,
and they are VERY CONSISTENT


Almost forgot

I STILL LIKE CHARTS EDGE GOLD chart ,
YES // GOLD // chart for STOCKS
for Dec 2008 and Jan 2009

More Later
Jay

Uh OH !!!

I WARNED you MANY TIMES this would happen

AND its NOT the SENATE's fault

I told this group and others that the UAW would NOT give in to pay cuts

BIG 3 & GM to file BK - Unheard of for 100 years

Unless Microsoft decides to buy them ((GGGGGGG))

And some tell STEVE DUCEY to take that sh___ eatin grin off his face every time he thinks he's got the Pres elect by
what Jesse Jackson wanted to cut off
He and FOX NEWS editors continue to try to
TIE a line across the divide with a SHORT ROPE

When i wrote LOY, it OBVIOUSLY means 2008.

Today could be the FIRST 1000 pt loss in US HISTORY

NOW, whats going to CHANGE

PESSIMISM will NOW ABOUND as opposed to rampant
optimism of MONDAY DEC 8th

that is the negative sentiment that will drive the
dow higher in 2009 watch the MEDIA, and wee how their
comments will reflect negative expressions int he coming months

They will NOW be looking over their shoulders to look
for the next shoe to drop

Now they expect PRES Bush to come forward and ask the
treasury to loan the BIG 3 the $$$ they need to survive
without a BK - that could be Dec 17th -
Wednesday's SURPRISE event to catapult the mkt.
Im sure Pres Bush doesn't want to be known by history as the Pres
who caused the AUTO industry to declare BK

MY OUTLOOK
From Dec 16, 2008, the dow could gain back as much
as 5000 points all the way thru Dec of 2009
Of course its NEVER a straight line, but the
CORRECTION from Oct 9,2007 & 300 tr days later has ended,
thus the bulls are back in command, CLIMBING that WALL OF WORRY

And when we get to NEXT DEC and the MEDIA is screaming
"TO THE MOON ""
You can be sure its all over right there

More later
Jay

DOWN they go

today opened at 126 bars -thus the down 144
high at 1pm just 15 minutes after the 12:44 hourly

204 bars @ OPEN: It did not hit at close,
but should hit the open lower Friday

Thursday night the CME  off 1650 at 6pm

the 4.3 hourly at 10:33 might mark the
HOD on Friday

full moon at 11:33am = very harsh lunation
100% of 13 day cycle at 12;30 , A LOW point

Merc 0 Pluto at 1:41 also very tough aspect
= INTENSE Mindsets & serious decisions
that could be the moment of NAY vote in the
Senate
& Crash from there

9 pm Friday night
Sun 90 Saturn = delays & Demands

all the above portends a very bad market day

Monday is day 300 from Oct 9
OR
day 299 from Oct 10th
And Tuesday is
day 299 from Oct 11th
take your pick
Mars 90 Saturn at 5:47 pm also
makes for a very bad market day

Tuesday calls for a MID DAY crisis
which could be the LOY & turn of the year

Wed reading is indicating a SUPERB day
& the market should rebound vigorously

More later
Jay

Crash dead ahead

this graph shows the next move is LOWEr

Shankar
I have been given a solar NN graph that shows DEC 15th OPEN as a MAJOR down, and could be the LOY
16th shows only a retest of THAT LOW

Today is 12/10
We had a 60 bar cycle low at 10 am
we had an hourly high at 10:37

SOLAR nn shows high at 12:30
then lower to Open dec 15

Charts edge shows high at 10;37 approx
LOW at 3pm
There is an HOURLY time point ALSO at 2:56 pm which coincides with that

Dec 15th is BRADLEY

STILL OVERBOT

Some have today as an IMPORTANT pivot day, and its starting to look just like that

Dem's and White house have agreed on Auto bale out
UAW will probably be the Monkey wrench in this deal

More later
Jay

OVERBOT

overbot more than Nov 28th

Sometimes we have to wait for the 10 day trin

Today's important numbers

arms 5 = 64.4
trin 5 = 323
trin 10 = 748

All of the above a grossly OVERBOT

Tomorrow's reading
MONEY WOES
Test Values
Fear of LOSS

Wed
Unexpected & disruptive behavior
Caution with $

Ths
watch for accidents & dangerous situations

Friday
obstacles & disagreements

Overall it sounds like a tought week from here to Friday

Shankar
even tho Dec16th -Monday has a Mars 90 Saturn, its influence seems muted
And the 16th calls for mid day clouds
I still think the MAJOR bottom will have its moment on Friday- dec 12th

Jay

DEc 12 MAJOR bottom

Dec 12 is 299 tr days from Oct8th, 2007

299 tr days = 23 segments of 13 tr days

DEc 12 = 23 segments of 13 tr days at 12;30pm

I am quite confident this will be the LOW of the entire corrective period from Oct9th, 2007

IF that is TRUE, then there is VERY LITTLE TIME LEFT to TEST or retest the spx 755 low

Tuesday has numerous cycles converging between 11:30 and 2pm
52 hrs at 12;30
Hourly cycle at 11:30
258 bar cycle at noon
10.2 day cycle at 2pm
8 day turn

Jay

Week of Dec 12

watch this relationship

Nov 4th + 6 days = Nov 12, and intrday low of Nov 13
Dec 4th and 11am of 5 = Nov 4th

Add 6 tr days = Nov 12, and or 15th
Nov 12 + 21 tr days = Dec 12

Unlike last week , next week will not spned 4 days recovering from a 700 pt drop
However, Monday and Tuesday are on schedule NOW to drop to support at least
to 816 spx from which they bounced off on Friday at 10:45am

An important convergence of cycles on Tuesday at 2pm, should provide the first
level of support, probably at 816 again, but maybe at 800

the LAST chance to make lower lows imo, is the 12th where the
13 day cycle completes very near a Merc 0 Pluto at 1:41pm
which could hold it down till then.

THIS WEEK is VERY similar to Nov 13 lows @ 10 days and or Nov 21 @13days lows,
both LOW points occurred at segments of the 13 day cycle.

From there < IF there is any more weakness, it is all but meaningless
as the NEXT BIG MOVE is UP & AWAY.

Jay

CHART

If you can enlarge this chart from one of my associates at a yahoo group,
it clearly shows the cycle low on DEc9th & Dec15/16

the current Elliott wave formation is looking like a rising wedge from which the next level is back to where it started, and that would be at dow 7550

Dec 9th has 2 cycles converging at 2pm
8day/52 hours
AND
10day / 78.6% segment of the 13day cycle

Jay

WAVE 5

Monday = WAVE 1
Tues - WEd = wave 2, so far
Thursday and Friday should be wave 3
Monday & Tues = complete wave 3 and start 4

Dec 9th has
52 hr cycle @ 1 to 2pm
13 day cycle @ 2pm
Its an 8 day TURn day

Dec11 = wave 4
Dec 12 to Dec 16 = wave 5
THIS SHOULD END the total corrective wave from Oct10, 2007

From there, I dont see any evidence for further lows in mid Jan which some are proposing
In fact I am VERY BULLISH thru Feb 15th for starters

There are several cycles converging this AM at 10am
hourly
258 bar cycles
50% of 13 day cycle

From there, today should languish most of the day and head for a serous sell off at the close and make its wave 3 move tomrrow

MY tech data is ONCE AGAIN screaming SELL
Arms 5 = 72.2
trin 5 = 361
trin 10 NOW under 10 at 98.8

Some pressure readings have dropped from 3015 to 3002, but others are still holding up or just showing signs of changing.
Power index at 450 drops during the day and heads for 300 tomrrow
Solar storms at 8 today and 15 tomorrow
Flux is at 900 showing negative forces are strong

futures at 8:30 are decidedly negative following Europe lower leading to that 10 am opening low

Best for Now
Jay

WHERE ARE WE NOW ? its 12/1 2008

As mentioned b4, MY internal technical
data spread sheet is SCREAMING SELL

BY NOW you are familiar with the 13 day cycle
that I have been using, and if NOT, then You should be

It HIT a bottom on NOV 21st at 11am, ((DOW 7475))
and YES I was buying calls for a very 
profitable trade which was closed out on
Nov 25th at the OPEN high at 10am AND I
did that against a MYRIAD of NEGATIVE SENTIMENT
I DID WARN EVERYONE HERE TO IGNORE that NEGATIVE SENTIMENT
THAT WAS THEN, and THIS IS NOW !!

NOW where are we?
Good question
Positive sentiment has sent us to WAY OVERBOT
its 12/1 at 9am, and were about to open
down 200 Dow pts

A short term cycle LOw is due on 12/2 at 12;50 pm 

The 13 day cycle is broken down by FIBO
components and IT has been 
VERY CONSISTENT since I started tracking
it on 8/21

The NEXT convergence with
Astro timing is Dec 5th at the 
61.8% SEGMENT of the 13 day cycle at 12:45pm
  
Following that is the 13 day completion on
Dec 12th at 12;30pm, but there is a Merc 0 Pluto
at 1:41 pm which could extend that low to that 
point.

Other than back testing on the 15th and 16th,
DEC 12th SHOULD BE THE LOW


Jay